Dear Andy,
I’m trying to
find out which
Sunday in February
the United Methodist
Church Scout troops
do their service or
honor the
anniversary. There
seems to be nothing
on the council or
national websites
except that Scout
Sunday is the first
Sunday and Scout
Sabbath is the
following Saturday.
(Lloyd Biller, ASM,
Virginia)
Yup, "first Sunday
in February" is it!
So, this year, it's
February 3rd. Oops!
That means your
troop may have
missed it! So...
What to do... How
about simply
mustering your troop
for the 10th, 17th,
or 24th (No one's
gonna call "Neener-Neener"
-- I promise!).
Dear Andy,
On an Eagle
project, can a Scout
do a service project
for Camp Fire USA?
(Kenny Lathan,
ScoutReach
Scoutmaster)
My research
tells me that
Camp Fire USA is
a not-for-profit
organization for
youth that is as
old as Scouting
in America, and
shares many of
the same goals
and values as
Scouting. It
would therefore
seem to me that
this
organization is
an excellent
candidate for
service! The
final criteria,
of course, will
be the nature
and scope of the
project the
Eagle candidate
conceives, but
the recipient
sure seems right
on the money!
Dear Andy,
My son will
cross over to Boy
Scouting later this
month, and I’ve just
agreed to be the
Assistant
Scoutmaster for a
nearby troop. The
current Scoutmaster
and Committee Chair
are a
husband-and-wife who
have been in these
positions for over
30 years and are
tired, but do not
want to give it up
just yet. In the
last year, I’m told,
they’ve run off a
couple of Scouts and
their dads who
wanted to help them
out (sent their way
by the district).
The troop has
two active Scouts,
though I use the
term “active”
loosely—they show up
for meetings, but
the troop itself
doesn’t really have
any other activities
beyond weekly troop
meetings.
In addition to
my own son, there’s
another Webelos II
who may cross over
and join, and then
there may be a
couple of boys from
from another pack.
What kinds of
things can be done
to revive this
troop? (Paul Lovell,
Heart of Virginia
Council)
Sorry to break the
news, but a "troop"
of two Scouts isn't
a troop... It isn't
even a patrol. How
they re-chartered
(the minimum is five
Scouts and three
adults) is beyond
me. And this is the
result of 30 years
of "dedicated
service"?
While I absolutely
appreciate your
motivation and
excellent
intentions, I’m
obliged to say: Go
find a troop that's
healthy and then
invite those other
Webelos and the
troop’s two sorry
remaining Scouts to
join, too. Let Ma n'
Pa retire.
Dear Andy,
Our Venturing
crew is having
trouble with our
assigned Unit
Commissioner—He’s
truly become an
interruption and in
some cases a
disruption to my
crew.
He’s retired
military and a
long-time Scouter
who comes off as
just plain
belligerent. He
attends all our crew
meetings and
continuously
interjects,
interrupts, and
otherwise aggravates
my Venturers. He
constantly
interrupts the crew
officers during
their meetings by
adding his "two
cents." He
consistently
interrupts my
closing comments at
meetings. (I could
go on and on.)
I recognize
that he hasn’t
singled us out—he
does the same sorts
of things at
district meetings
and training
sessions. As
adults, we’ve kind
of learned to ignore
him, but on a crew
level, my Venturers
are beginning to get
very frustrated.
He and I have
worked together in
Scouting for a long
time, at the
district level.
Without just
absolutely hurting
his feelings and
telling him to "buzz
off," do you have
any suggestions?
(Name & Council
Withheld)
Let me see if I have
this right...
There's a guy who
shows up where he's
not wanted, is an
interruption and
disruption,
continuously
interjects and
interrupts, and
aggravates the youth
in your Crew,
district people,
training staff, and
on and on... and you
want to spare his
feelings.
OK... why? He
certainly doesn't
seem to be sparing
anyone else's?
Here's the deal:
Commissioners are
not
supposed to have any
contact with the
youth of
any
unit. Their
responsibilities
include interfacing
with the adult
volunteers in a
unit, but
not the youth.
So, start with this:
Someone needs to
tell this jerk that
he's
not welcome
at any meeting where
youth are present.
Period. Not open to
further discussion.
If he doesn't like
it, it doesn't
matter: He's not
welcome and will be
removed if he,
ignoring your
preference, shows up
anyway.
In case you haven't
figured this out:
You're dealing with
a bully.
Your
job is to put a stop
to his bullying. Do
with him exactly
what Scouts are
taught to do when
faced with a bully.
There's no
difference.
Dear
Andy,
My son is a
Webelos Scout, and I
recently registered
to become the
Committee Chair. We
have a Cubmaster
that has caused an
enormous amount of
turmoil, and has
blatantly ignored
the rules and
alienated pretty
much all the Den
leaders, committee
members and our
Chartered
Organization
Representative. He
doesn’t recognize
his culpability in
any of the trouble,
despite the fact
that all the
disagreements have
been with him, and
none of them have
been between any of
the other leaders.
Our pack is
shrinking and it's
not fun any more. We
want him removed and
need to know what
our options are. Can
we just vote him
out? We are
unanimous in wanting
him gone. I can't
seem to get a
straight answer on
how to do it by the
book so that he
can’t cause any
further trouble or
start saying that we
didn’t follow
policy. Can you
point me to the
right reference to
do it "by the book"?
Thanks! (Name &
Council Withheld)
The “book" is, in
fact, the BSA Adult
Volunteer
Application. It
clearly states
therein that the
collaboration of the
Chartered
Organization
Representative and
Committee Chair
decide who will, and
who will not, be a
registered volunteer
in a unit. In
short: You and the
COR have the
unilateral authority
to place in and to
remove adults from
the various
volunteer positions
within your pack.
It is NOT required,
as it is in most
businesses and
corporations, to
provide a "rule of
three" or have
issued three letters
or in any way
"explain" your
decision. You
simply make it an
carry it out, and
once it's made and
carried out there is
no "higher
authority" that can
reverse the decision
except the head of
the chartered
organization (so
make sure you have
his or her blessing
before you proceed).
One major point:
Follow the BSA
guidelines for
identifying and
recruiting a unit
volunteer (i.e., the
new Cubmaster) and
be sure to secure
his agreement to
assume this position
immediately upon the
removal of your
current Cubmaster.
In this way, your
pack does not go
into a "hiatus."
Good luck with
this. The "rule" to
follow is simple:
JUST DO IT.
Hi Andy,
I really enjoy
reading your
column.
Occasionally, even I
have run across
questions that I
don't have a ready
answer to, despite
many years of
involvement as a
parent and
volunteer, and now
as a
paraprofessional.
Today I was asked if
there’s anything in
print regarding who
determines which
optional parts of
the Boy Scout
uniform to wear in a
particular troop.
Apparently, a
particular troop is
having some issues
about the wearing of
the new Switchback™
pants versus the
traditional Scout
dress pants.
As far as National
is concerned, either
may be worn, but is
there anything that
indicates whether
decisions on
uniforming are the
responsibility of
the unit committee,
the chartered
organization, the
Scoutmaster, or
anybody or nobody?
It would be nice to
be able to help
defuse the apparent
tension ASAP!
Whenever the adults
squabble the Scouts
suffer. While I’m
fairly sure that I
did see something in
print, but I can't
recall where. I did
check the basic
resources (Scoutmaster
Handbook, BSA
Insignia Guide)
but I didn't come
across anything that
addresses this
aspect. I’m
wondering if this
might be something
that Unit
Commissioners have
had to deal with on
occasion as well.
Can you help?
Thanks for all you
do for the Scouts!
(Zea Bauer, Quality
Unit Executive, Los
Padres Council, CA)
One of the best
things about the BSA
uniforms is that
they're pretty
"universal"—if
you're a member of
the BSA you wear the
BSA uniform of the
program you're
registered in, and
you wear it
completely—That is
to say, there are no
"troop uniforms" or
"pack uniforms," per
se, but only Boy
Scout uniforms,
Tiger Cub/Cub
Scout/Webelos Scout
uniforms, Venturer
uniforms, and Sea
Scout uniforms.
This keeps it
simple. That said,
there are
alternatives within
each of these
program groups that
a unit can elect, if
they choose to. For
instance, as a Unit
Commissioner serving
a bunch of units
across three
councils in the past
nearly 20 years,
I've seen—depending
on geography and
climate, among other
things—an entire Cub
Scout pack in long
pants, another
entire pack in short
pants with
blue-and-gold knee
socks, a troop in
long-sleeved shirts
and long pants, and
(at the opposite end
of the spectrum) a
troop entirely in
short-sleeved shirts
with shorts and
green-and-red knee
socks (in the case
of this last troop
that I've mentioned,
the decision was
made by the Scouts,
themselves!).
Regarding the new
nylon Switchback™
pants, the BSA has
made it pretty
darned clear that
these are to be
considered
alternatives to the
more traditional
olive twill Boy
Scout pants and/or
shorts, meaning that
one may wear either
one and be
considered "in
uniform." The
Switchbacks are now
available for those
in the Cub Scouting
program, too, as
alternatives to the
blue twill pants
and/or shorts. So,
I'd think it's fine
for a unit to
recommend that all
new members consider
buying Switchbacks
instead of their
twill counterparts.
Then, for those boys
who are growing out
of their first
pants, the
Switchbacks are an
excellent
replacement
recommendation.
However, I'd not
suggest to units
that they should
"legislate" or in
any way "demand"
this, because the
BSA itself doesn't
either legislate or
demand this and to
do so suggests that
a unit's "edict" is
somehow higher than
the parent
organization, and of
course this isn’t
the case at all!
From an economy
point-of-view, the
Switchbacks do make
good sense for the
future, because
although they're two
dollars more than
the twill ($39.99
versus $37.99)
they're about 30
bucks cheaper than a
pair of long pants
plus a pair of
shorts ($37.99 +
$31.99 = $69.98)!
(I bought a pair,
myself, and even my
wife likes my "new
look"!)
So here's what I
think is an
equitable "bottom
line"—For any Scout
or Scouter who's
going to buy their
first uniform pants,
or replacement
uniform pants or
shorts (for summer
camp, let's say),
spring for a couple
extra bucks and get
yourself
Switchbacks; but if
you already own a
pair of twills, and
they fit, then wait
awhile till you need
new.
Hi Andy,
What date
should be used on
the Merit Badge
Certificate? And is
this a common
practice or is it
official BSA policy?
(Jeff Gold,
Advancement Chair,
Los Angeles
Area Council, CA)
The date the merit
badge is considered
earned is the date
that the merit badge
counselor signed it
as completed.
Period.
Dear Andy,
I work with
Webelos II Den
Leaders, helping
with the
Webelos-to-Scout
transition. One of
the Webelos parents
asked if the God and
Family religious
award earned as a
Webelos Scout could
be worn on the Boy
Scout uniform after
their son crosses
over. The only thing
that comes to mind
for me is the Arrow
of Light award is
the only Cub Scout
award that can be
worn on the Boy
Scout uniform. I
told the parent I
would try to find an
answer. Can you
help? (Bob Rowe,
ASM, Piedmont
Council, NC)
The
silver-and-purple
square knot received
for having earned
God and Family as a
Webelos Scout (or
God and Me as a Cub
Scout) is perfectly
legal to wear on the
Boy Scout uniform.
If this young man
then goes on to earn
the God and Country
religious award
designed for Boy
Scouts, he would
then place two small
devices on the
square knot, each
indicative of the
level earned. (This
is "in the book," by
the way—It's just
hard to find!)
Dear Andy,
Why is flag
football OK for a
sports belt loop and
pin and tackle
isn’t? I’d like to
know BSA’s criteria
for that decision.
(Name & Council
Withheld)
You've asked an
excellent question,
and it's not been
asked before, so
let’s think about
it... True tackle
football requires
lots of gear and
involves lots of
hard hits and heavy
thumps; flag
football requires
some neckerchiefs
and is otherwise
"hands off."
Dear Andy,
Actually I have
thought about it.
As a parent with two
boys in football—one
flag and one
tackle—I saw more
injuries in flag
because there aren’t
pads. Problem is,
in order to achieve
the Sportsman badge,
a Webelos Scout must
play two
team sports.
For a few boys, one
of the
team sports
they play is
football.
Unfortunately, by
the time a boy
reaches Webelos,
only tackle is
offered; flag
football is only
offered at the Tiger
age, thus
disqualifying it for
that particular
badge. I really
want a clear
definition as to
why, and now I need
to explain that to a
few Webelos and work
on “Plan B”. (N&CW)
Thanks for your
time.
Understand that the
BSA in no way
prohibits a boy from
playing any sort of
sport he wants to.
The BSA does,
however, impose
safety standards on
sports played within
the Scouting
program.
Dear Andy,
I totally
understand that.
The Scouting program
is wonderful and has
brought my family
and many others
together. I’m just
disappointed that
the BSA doesn’t
recognize tackle
football as a sport
to earn a belt loop
or sportsman badge.
(N&CW)
With 25 different
sports available to
Cub Scouts, of which
at least 16 are
Olympic sports, I'm
hoping that your
disappointment over
the considered
absence of one
particular
injury-prone sport
doesn't pervade your
overall Scouting
attitude!
Dear Andy,
I’m trying to
figure out how my
Bear Cub Scout can
earn the religious
emblem. I’m told
that he has to do a
workbook in
order to get it. Is
this correct? (Tim
Shrader)
Yup, that's
correct. The
religious award
programs of the
various faiths and
denominations use
workbooks. Check
out
www.praypub.org
Dear Andy,
My troop is
working on model
rockets. They’re
building water
rockets out of soda
bottles and will
launch them at a
winter camping
event. One of our
leaders built a
potato cannon and
demonstrated it to
our Scouts. Of
course it was a
hit! My question
is: Can my Scouts
shoot the potato
cannon at a target
if we have adult
supervision,
safety glasses,
ear protection, and
do it in a secure
area? (Charles
Kopcho, SM)
For this excellent
question you need an
official answer from
a local authority.
Your council is
likely to have a
risk management
committee, and these
good folks will be
your best source for
this.
Dear Andy,
Can merit
badges be worn on
the right sleeve of
the short-sleeved
shirt? The Insignia
Guide shows a
long-sleeved shirt,
but doesn't
specifically say a
long-sleeved shirt.
I had read that it
could on another
website that said it
could, but four of
my fellow
Commissioners
emphatically said
No. (John Walston,
UC, Central North
Carolina Council)
They can be worn on
the long-sleeved
shirt, but not the
short. From a
practical point of
view, fuggetaboutit
entirely! After six
on the sleeve, they
all have to be
removed so they can
go on a sash (you
don't wear 'em in
both places) and
they leave ugly
circles (or worse if
that new glue stuff
is employed) where
they once were.
Want the
“authoritative”
answer? In the
BSA's INSIGNIA
GUIDE, it shows them
placed “above cuff”
(refer to pg. 22) on
the long-sleeved
uniform shirt. The
short-sleeved shirt,
in the first place,
has no cuff, and in
the second, doesn’t
have a "position
4." End of story.
Dear Andy,
Can a Scout
who earned Eagle
wear the rank badge
without having had
his Court of Honor?
(Frank Anzaldi, MC,
Suffolk County
Council, NY)
Absolutely! He
became an Eagle
Scout on the date he
completed his board
of review for the
rank. Wearing the
Eagle badge on his
uniform right away
is to be
encouraged!
(Setting the
example, and all
that...)
Dear Andy,
At a recent
College of
Commissioner
Science, a
discussion came up
regarding Boards of
Review and
uniforming
regulations… Is a
merit badge sash
required as part of
the uniform for a
board of review?
(One fellow
Commissioner said it
was, his
justification being
that he would then
know if the Scout
had all the required
merit badges for a
particular rank.) I
felt that that
rationale was odd:
Why would the Scout
be in a board of
review if he hadn’t
earned the merit
badges necessary for
the rank? I’d think
that the appropriate
signatures in his
handbook, plus his
Blue Cards, would
provide all the
assurance necessary.
In fact, I’m not
aware of any BSA
policy requiring a
Scout to have a sash
at all! The other
Commissioner
responded that a
sash is required
when a Scout has
three merit badges,
and I countered
that, according to
the Insignia
Guide, a Scout
may wear up to six
merit badges on the
right sleeve of a
long-sleeved uniform
shirt, if he chooses
to. So, is a Scout
required to have a
merit badge sash? Is
these some sort of
actual written
policy on this?
(John Walston, UC,
Central North
Carolina Council)
The BSA statement
regarding uniforming
by the Scout at a
board of review is
simply this: The
Scout should be as
completely uniformed
as possible. THERE
ARE NO OTHER
STATEMENTS.
Anyone demanding
"full uniform" or
"must wear merit
badge sash," and
other such nonsense
is way, way out of
line. In fact, a
merit badge sash is
optional. If the
Scout doesn't want
to wear one, no one
can force him to.
That clown of a
Commissioner ought
to have his head
dunked in hot oil!
Stick with your good
sense—You don't need
chapter and verse to
know when somebody's
whacko!
Hi Andy,
Our troop’s
problem: An
over-zealous Unit
Commissioner. We
truly value the time
and effort Unit
Commissioners put
in, but our own UC
is at every troop
meeting, every
committee meeting,
and any and all
other troop
functions. At our
last troop meeting,
we had a Webelos II
den visiting, and
our Committee Chair
was briefing the
parents on what to
expect in Boy
Scouting, and this
UC kept butting in
and contradicting
everything the CC
said. At troop
committee meetings
he injects himself
into the meeting and
goes off on
20-minute
diatribes. It’s
reached the point
that we’re actually
having secret
committee meetings,
so he doesn’t show
up and turn what we
can do in about an
hour into three-hour
speechifying by
himself! Bottom
line: He’s
negatively rather
than positively
affecting how the
troop operates. Any
words of wisdom?
(Marty Bongers, ASM,
National Capital
Area Council)
Ahhh... The care and
feeding of
Commissioners!
Just as you and your
fellow volunteers at
the unit level have
stepped up to serve
the troop you're
associated with, and
the Scouts in it,
Commissioners have
volunteered to serve
you all. Sometime,
just like you, they
need some guidance.
In the first place,
they don't have
contact with either
parents or the
Scouts themselves
unless you invite
them to do so.
"Buttinski's" don't
win popularity
contests! In the
second place,
spouting policy
(even if it's
correct) in front of
parents, to the
possible
embarrassment of the
unit-level folks, is
a big no-no! This
should be a side
conversation—either
beforehand, if
possible, or
afterwards, to
correct errors--but
never, ever "in
public." Third,
Commissioners come
to committee
meetings and visit
troop meetings on
invitation only. If
you all haven't
"blessed" his
presence in advance,
he's flat out not
welcome. But, if
he's been invited
and shows up and
then starts spouting
off, it's the chair
of the meeting's job
to shut him down.
(This applies to
anyone who wants to
grandstand at a
meeting!) If the
chair doesn't do
this, well then
shame on him!
Have you spoken with
your Commissioner
about any of the
problems you're
having with him?
He's not a
mind-reader, you
know. He may not
know there's a
problem, and may
believe that he's
doing a terrific job
keeping you all on
the
straight-and-narrow.
If you don't
conference with him,
it would be
unrealistic to
expect him to
change, out of the
blue.
So, have a
conversation—not a
gripe session. Do a
“Roses n’ Thorns,”
just like you would
on a Philmont trek.
Tell him what you
need, and what you
don't, tell him what
you like about what
he’s doing, and then
point out whatever
behaviors need
changing in order to
strengthen the
relationship. Do
this the same way
you'd conference
with anyone...
Scout, parent, son
or daughter,
co-worker, and so
on. After all,
you're all in this
together and you're
all trying to do the
best jobs you
possibly can. He
should get the
message. If he
doesn't, well, as a
last resort you can
contact your
District
Commissioner and ask
that someone else be
assigned to your
troop. But, talk
first. I'll bet you
dollars to donuts
you'll see a big
difference, if you
handle things as
diplomatically as
you're ultimately
expecting from him!
Dear Andy,
I have the
pleasure of
receiving an Eagle
Mentor pin from two
Eagle Scouts. So as
not to offend them,
should I wear both
pins, or will it be
OK to wear one? I’ve
not seen anyone
wearing more than
one Mentor pin. (SM,
Heart of Virginia
Council)
If I had been given
these by Scouts in
my troop, you can
sure bet that I'd
wear both! Wow!
Not a thing to be
embarrassed about!
In fact, I'd call
these a considerable
honor, that two
young men think so
well of you!
Hi Andy,
After five
years, our
Cubmaster is
crossing over to Boy
Scouts with her son
in about a month.
She’s not been
involved in the Pack
for two years (she
lost her husband to
cancer and then last
year her house
burned to the
ground). Since
she’s been less than
involved, we’d asked
her to take another,
less rigorous
position, but she
refused. As a
result, we’ve had to
carry her weight as
Cubmaster all this
time. So what on
earth should we do
for her at the Blue
& Gold banquet?
Should we honor her
with a plaque even
though she’s done
nothing for two
years? Half the pack
doesn't even know
who she is! The
families in her own
son's den don't even
want to make
anything for her
because they just
never see her. She
did come to the
Pinewood Derby last
month, and we know
she’ll be at the B&G
next month. Any
thoughts on what, if
anything, we should
do for her at the
banquet? (Lori
Swift, MC)
To answer that
question (it's a
good one!), ask
yourself this
question:
What would a Scout
do?
The answer will come
to you, I guarantee
it!
Dear Andy,
I was born in
1933 and became a
Boy Scout in 1945,
attained the rank of
Life Scout, had more
than 21 merit
badges, but could
not pass the swim
test that was
required for the
Eagle rank at that
time. I understand
that either Hiking
and Cycling merit
badge can now be
substituted for
swimming. I have
hiked the
Grand Canyon
in recent years and
participated in
organized cycling
events. Do you know
if records still
exists from over 60
years ago? Being an
Eagle has always
been my dream and
still is today.
(Name Withheld)
In 1945, to earn the
rank of First Class,
a Scout needed to be
able to swim at
least 50 yards, so
this means that you
had at least some
swimming ability if
you made it to Life
Rank. At that time,
to be an Eagle
Scout, you needed to
(a) be active as a
Life Scout for at
least 6 months, and
(b) earn 21 merit
badges (including
these required:
Athletics OR
Physical
Development, Bird
Study, Camping,
Civics, Cooking,
First Aid,
Lifesaving, Personal
Health, Pathfinding,
Pioneering, Public
Health, and Safety).
Swimming merit badge
was not on the
"required" list, but
it was a
prerequisite to
earning Lifesaving,
which was required.
So, if you didn't
earn Swimming merit
badge, you couldn't
earn Lifesaving, at
that time. Also,
there was no age
restriction on
earning the rank of
Eagle Scout at that
time. The age
restriction wasn't
put in place for
another seven
years. This
effectively gave you
seven more years to
learn to swim well
enough to qualify
for Lifesaving merit
badge.
Beginning in 1952
and continuing to
this day, the BSA
stipulated that a
Scout's 18th
birthday was the
"sunset" of his Boy
Scouting days and no
ranks could be
earned beyond that
date.
So, if the BSA
National Advancement
Committee were to
sanction your
earning Eagle per
the requirements in
force in 1945, you'd
have to earn both
Swimming and
Lifesaving merit
badges.
On the other hand,
if you wanted to
earn Eagle by
today's requirements
(save the age
restriction that's
been in force for
the past 56 years),
and asked for this
sanction, you'd be
confronted by a
whole new set of
merit badges that
are now required,
that didn't exist in
1945, including:
Citizenship in the
Community,
Citizenship in the
Nation, Citizenship
in the World,
Communications,
Emergency
Preparedness,
Environmental
Science, Family
Life,
Hiking/Cycling, and
Personal Management.
Moreover, there are
now leadership
requirements (e.g.,
Patrol Leader,
Senior Patrol
Leader, etc.) and a
significant service
project that would
need to be
completed.
Although you've
probably already
done your own
research into all of
this, I'm laying it
out in some detail
for you, so that we
can hopefully agree
that the time's past
for accomplishing
this particular
goal. While perhaps
regrettable, it's
hardly "the end of
the world as we know
it." Thanks to your
Scouting
experiences, I would
imagine you've lived
an honorable,
productive,
responsible, and
happy life, and can
look back on your
Scouting days in
good cheer, and if
you think you've
somehow "failed,"
this is hardly the
case. For more on
this, read my column
of November 2002
(Issue No. 6).
Dear
Andy,
I’ve just been
appointed District
Venturing Chair, and
I'm having
difficulty locating
information
regarding the
structure and
responsibilities of
this position. Can
you direct me to
some resources?
(K.T.)
Councils often
approach Venturing
differently from one
another, so your
best resources for
getting underway
will be your
district chair, your
district executive,
and your council
Venturing chair.
Face-to-face
conversations will
work a lot better
than email, by the
way.
Hello Andy,
It’s my
understanding, from
the Guide to Safe
Scouting, that
Cub Scouts can't use
solid fuel rockets.
Anyway, it got me
replaced by the
District
Commissioner and
Unit Commissioner of
the pack (up till
then, I’d been the
UC of two troops and
two packs). This DC
has made it his
mission to remove me
from my Units. He
had a meeting with
sponsor of two of
the units I had been
serving, and told
them that I no
longer wanted to be
their UC (even
though that
conversation never
happened). Then,
after my talking to
the Cubmaster and
Committee Chair of
my other pack about
the rockets, the
Cubmaster told the
District
Commissioner about
it. Two days later,
the DC came to my
house and in front
of my kids told me
that the pack didn't
want me as UC
anymore, and added
that the Scout
Executive of our
council had told him
to do this. I felt
that I needed to
take myself out of
his line of fire,
and subsequently
told my other troop
that I wasn’t going
to be their Unit
Commissioner any
longer. I guess what
I'm wondering is how
can a council not
see this District
Commissioner for
what he really is—No
matter how many
people complain
about him, they keep
giving him more
things to do. The
latest is he’s now
the representative
for the OA in our
area, and on the
Eagle board. Maybe
I'm just venting,
but shouldn't the
Scout Executive at
least have had a
meeting and asked me
what was going on,
instead of just
going on this man's
word? I've been told
to talk to National
but at this point I
don't believe they
would or could do
anything. Getting my
units back is the
least of my
concerns. The fact
is that this guy
represents Scouting
but clearly doesn't
know what that
means. What kind of
example is he? For
the Scouters and
more importantly the
Scouts. (Name &
Council Withheld)
Why isn't the Scout
Executive taking
action? Simple.
That's not his job.
Think of it this
way: The SE is the
business equivalent
of chief operating
officer of the
company. Your
situation is way
down the corporate
food chain,
definitely no higher
than
"division/department-level"
and this isn't where
COOs make
decisions. That's
the job of the
division/department
heads, which, in
your case, would be
your district's "Key
3"—one of whom is
the DC you're
locking horns with!
That's a no-win
situation for you.
I hope you can find
another Scouting
thing to do that
both keeps you happy
and feeling
fulfilled, and keeps
you away from that
DC.
Hello Andy,
I am looking
for some help on
determining what is
a
"Boy Scout-oriented
outdoor activity" as
it relates to the
Arrow of Light. Our
troop is offering
Webelos II dens the
opportunity to rake
leaves with us for
our chartered
organization as the
Boy Scout-oriented
outdoor activity,
but the Webelos Den
Leaders think that
this isn’t in the
spirit of the
requirement and it
should be something
more fun, in order
to encourage the
boys to continue in
Scouting, instead of
just lending more
hands to accomplish
a raking chore.
What do you think?
(Rochelle Ray, MC,
Mohegan Council,
MA)
I agree with those
Webelos Den
Leaders. The
purpose of this
requirement is to
turn on Webelos
Scouts to the idea
of becoming Boy
Scouts. Raking
leaves is hardly an
appropriate way to
go about this. The
troop that thought
this one up needs a
wake-up call!
Dear Andy,
Where does a
Scout wear his Eagle
palms on his
uniform? (Jane
Dienger, ASM,
Chippewa Valley
Council, WI)
He doesn't. A Scout
wears his palms on
the ribbon of his
Eagle medal, and
wears that at
special occasions
such as Courts of
Honor.
Dear Andy,
A while ago,
you addressed an
issue with a
Chartered
Organization
Representative (COR)
overstepping her
bounds and directing
unit program
content. Your
advice was, “Nowhere
does it say that the
COR influences, much
less controls, the
Troop's program
itself. Clip her
wings, fast!” While
I agree that
directing the unit
to attend a specific
event is beyond the
scope of what a COR
should do,
it’s not beyond the
scope of what they
can do. They
can withdraw their
approval of adult
leaders (thus you’re
no longer a Scouter)
and disband a unit.
As a result, they
ultimately hold the
keys. While this is
very Draconian, it’s
within their
authority. My point
is not that the unit
leaders should bow
to COR, but that
they should proceed
with caution. It
sounds like they
need to go over her
head and contact the
chartered
organizations head
or executive
officer, but the
unit leaders have no
ability to actually
“clip her wings” and
may find that it’s
their own wings that
are endangered,
because a
bull-headed COR may
be willing to fold
the unit to prove
her point. If the
COR is ultimately
too intrusive for
your taste, go find
yourself another
unit. (Kevin M.,
Cherokee Area
Council, TN)
Except for the
polite Asian
gesture, Americans
bow to no one. Tin
god CORs are near
the top of the list
of people we don't
bow to. Face-to-face
conversations about
what we need, and
don’t need, work
best; email works
least well.
Dear Andy,
My son earned
the religious knot
as a Cub Scout and
has moved on to Boy
Scouts. I was told
by the Cubmaster
that you can only
earn the knot once,
no matter how many
times you do the
program, and that it
can be worn on his
Boy Scout uniform.
The Scoutmaster says
that it can’t be
worn unless he does
the program again as
a Boy Scout. I
couldn’t find any
clear information on
either point of view
on the internet.
Can you help clear
this up? (Jayne
Dowdy)
Your son's
Scoutmaster needs to
brush up on his
knowledge base and
that Cubmaster on
how he describes
things (assuming
you're quoting him,
of course). Both
are a bit toward the
left-field side.
The square knot (SK)
for the Cub Scout
religious award can
absolutely,
positively, 100% be
worn on his Boy
Scout uniform. In
fact, if he earned,
say, the God and Me
award as a Cub or
Webelos, he now
eligible to earn the
God and
Country award as a
Boy Scout. If he
does this, then he
gets to pin a Cub
Scout and a Boy
Scout device on his
SK (but he doesn't
sew on a second
identical SK).
Dear Andy,
Our pack would
like to do a service
project for the
local humane
society, by building
them a bench. We
built one several
years ago, but I
don't know where to
get plans anymore.
Can you help direct
me? The bench was a
very simple park
bench made out of
wood. Thanks!
(Richard Meddings,
DL, National Capital
Area Council, MD)
How about simply
making it a part of
your service project
to go out and
measure the existing
bench, so that you
can build one that
matches! Oh... that
bench wasn't built
for the Humane
Society? No prob!
Go find the first
bench and take your
measurements.
Dear Andy,
There's a new
museum of history
going up next to a
recently discovered
fossil site in our
town. The museum is
interested in doing
workshops and will
be a great resource
for Scouts in the
area. There are
already a Geology
and a Scientist Cub
Scout activity
badge, and I'm sure
there are equivalent
badges at the Boy
Scout level. Is it
possible
(allowable?) for our
local council to
develop a more
specific
Paleontology badge,
or, at the least,
some kind of
temporary badge to
be given out to
Scouts who complete
achievements at the
museum? Any ideas
or advice would be
welcome. (Keith
Pilkey, WDL,
Sequoyah Council,
TN)
What a great idea!
While it wouldn't be
an official BSA
merit badge or
activity badge, you
certainly can
develop a
locally-based
Paleontology
Awareness (or some
name better than
that) patch, attach
some appropriate
requirements, and
make it available to
all youth who
complete the
requirements. It's
a patch that could
be worn on the right
pocket of any
uniform shirt. You
may even want to
develop
age-appropriate
requirements, so
that every youth
from Tiger Cub
through Venturer can
earn it at their own
level!
Dear Andy,
As volunteer
new to Scouting (I’m
a Den Leader for two
different dens) I’m
having a hard time
finding meaningful
jobs for our Denner
and Assistant
Denner. The boys in
both dens voted and
picked their Denner
and AD, so now what
do I do? Is there a
list of
responsibilities
somewhere? (Marianne
Noyes, WDL/DL,
Northeast Georgia
Council)
Thanks for becoming
a Den Leader!
You're gonna have
fun, and truly make
a difference in the
lives of boys! I'm
more than a
half-century away
from when I was a
Cub, and I still
remember my Den
Leader's name, where
she lived, and most
of the boys in my
Den! Cool, Huh?
First, rotate the
Denner position: One
boy this month,
another boy next
month (make sure
every boy gets his
chance). The Denner
and AD are
your BIG HELPERS!
They get to lead the
opening ceremony and
flag salute at your
Den meetings, and
they're "in charge"
of the others at
Pack meetings. They
get the "glamorous"
jobs and not the
drudgery. This is
their very first
taste of (guided)
leadership. For
more, read the
Cub Scout Leader
Book.
Here’s a sort of
unique exchange – A
lesson in either
miscommunication or
“no good deed…” (you
finish the quote)…
Hi Andy,
My son is
working on his Eagle
requirements. Are
there any "sample"
letters of
recommendation to
look at. We would
like to get some
ideas. (Name &
Council Withheld)
Why does an Eagle
candidate need a
sample letter of
recommendation?
Hi Andy,
Simple:
Because we’ve never
done one or seen
one. It would just
be nice to know what
some of them look
like. I'm sorry if
this sounds like a
stupid question to
you.
The more I
thought about your
nasty response to my
email question, that
madder I got. I
HOPE that you are
not an Eagle Scout
because you NOT know
the 12 points—You
know: The ones about
being kind,
helpfully and
friendly. You are
not an example of
any of the Scouts
that I know. (N&CW)
Kindly take a moment
to re-read my
question to you. It
sought information.
It made no
accusations, offered
no judgments on the
nature or intent of
your question, was
emotionally neutral,
and was neither
unkind nor unhelpful
(no way to help
until I understood
the need), nor
unfriendly. I hope
you're better able
to deal with your
anger than to aim it
at a person
voluntarily
committed to helping
tens of thousands of
people like yourself
who need to know
stuff that's not
necessarily "in the
book," and who
personally replies
to every letter he
receives, including
yours.
I'm now guessing,
correctly I hope,
that you're asking
your question as a
parent who will soon
be asked by your
son's troop
advancement chair to
write a letter of
recommendation for
him when it comes
time for him to
complete his Eagle
Scout rank
application. When
that time comes, and
you receive that
request, there's
only one "rule" to
follow and it’s
this:
Write from your
heart and you'll
never be wrong.
Best wishes and
congratulations to
your son --
(Epilogue: None.
Never heard from
them again.)
Hey Andy,
I just got my
new adult Scouter
uniform and
remembered that I
have a green
American Flag from
the Army that’s the
same size as the one
on the Scout shirt’s
shoulder. Can I
replace the Boy
Scout U.S. flag with
that one? (Luke
Whitcomb, Daniel
Webster Council, NH)
Thanks for stepping
up and volunteering,
and for asking a
good question. The
BSA stipulates that
only BSA badges may
be worn on BSA
uniforms, and
specifically
prohibits military
badges.
Hello Andy,
I first found
your column some
years ago, when I
was a Unit
Commissioner and
used it extensively
as District
Commissioner. Many
thanks on behalf of
the hundreds of
Scouters and the
thousands of Scouts
in our district who
have benefited from
your insights and
shared experiences
over the years.
In "catching
up" after the
holidays and some
business trips, your
December 22nd
response to a
Cubmaster on "right
sizing" his dens
finally prompted me
to write. Your
advice, as usual,
was spot-on.
I was away on
business when my son
signed up to be a
Bear during an open
house at school.
The next week, my
wife let me know
that I was going to
take him to school.
At that point, I was
just another typical
parent, in this case
one of eleven(!),
who thought they'd
simply drop their
son off and leave.
The Den Leader
stopped us with a,
"Now wait a minute!"
and proceeded to
tell us that not
only did the BSA
require two-deep
leadership, but that
if she didn’t get
some help there’d be
no den!
Four of us
agreed we could help
out "part-time" as
Assistant Den
Leaders. About a
week or so later,
she suggested that a
den of 14 boys was
just too big, and
needed to be split.
Though it
seemed impossible to
split things
equitably, the boys
actually did it
themselves once we
told them what
needed to be done.
I became the other
Den Leader, and our
originally oversized
den became two
separate dens of
seven each, each
with an Assistant
Den Leader. The
amazing thing was
the friendly
competition that
developed among the
boys as we continued
to meet together on
occasion and, of
course, interacted
at pack meetings.
These guys pushed
each other to
outperform "the
other den." Their
self-motivation made
my job easier!
Fast forward a
few years. Of the
original 14 boys, 13
bridged into Boy
Scouts and all
reached First Class
in their first
year. As the years
passed, 11 of them,
including my son,
earned Eagle!
Splitting that
den right up front
and then sticking to
it gave us adults
manageable groups
and gave the boys
the drive to excel
that made it all
possible!
Thanks again
for sharing your
knowledge and
experience. Keep up
the good work!
(George "Fritz"
McMullin,
Scoutmaster)
Wow! What a great
story! Funny how
when we "work" the
Scouting program,
the Scouting program
works! And hats off
to that savvy Den
Leader, who got you
all started!